This discussion features Rainer Bauböck, a political theorist skeptical about online communities as real nations, and Liav Orgad, a legal scholar delving into digital citizenship and governance. Yancey Strickler, a Kickstarter co-founder, explores new models for collective organization. They tackle whether digital communities can foster genuine political belonging, the differences between coercive membership and voluntary associations, and the potential for cloud communities to redistribute political power, all while navigating the complexities of identity in the digital age.