Paula Simons, an Alberta Senator known for her community activism, and Leo Housakos, a Quebec Senator representing Conservative interests, delve into the profound changes in the Senate over the last decade. They discuss Trudeau's reforms aimed at diminishing partisanship and increasing senator independence. Simons defends the impact of these changes, while Housakos argues the Senate is losing its influence. The conversation raises critical questions about representation, regional disparities, and the Senate's evolving role in Canadian legislation.