Lena Katina and Julia Volkova, members of t.A.T.u., discuss the controversy surrounding their hit song "All The Things She Said" and its portrayal of queer love. They explore the impact of the song as an anthem for queer women and its place in the queerbaiting debate. Additionally, they analyze the influence of music videos featuring same-sex relationships, addressing both their intention and effect on queer viewers. The discussion also delves into personal experiences and reflections on romantic relationships before coming out, highlighting the role of media in shaping perceptions. Finally, they reflect on the progress made in queer representation and emphasize the need for continued progress.