Mona Charen, a conservative policy editor at The Bulwark, and Harvard's Laurence H. Tribe, a constitutional law expert, discuss the contradictions of patriotism within the MAGA movement. They analyze how symbols of revolution are used to support an increasingly authoritarian leader. The conversation digs into the manipulation of patriotism and the judicial impacts of political polarization. They emphasize the importance of accountability, the need for trust in institutions, and the nuanced relationship Americans have with their national identity.