Laura Ruis, a PhD student at University College London and researcher at Cohere, discusses her groundbreaking work on reasoning capabilities of large language models. She delves into whether these models rely on fact retrieval or procedural knowledge. The conversation highlights the influence of pre-training data on AI behavior and examines the complexities in defining intelligence. Ruis also explores the philosophical implications of AI agency and creativity, raising questions about how AI models mimic human reasoning and the potential risks they pose.