Lai Frances, music reporter and expert in the 'cult' of K-Pop, joins the show to discuss the intense training idols go through, their hardcore 'sasaeng fans,' and the cult-like aspects of the K-Pop industry. They explore the benefits and concerns of K-Pop fandom, the rigorous training process, and power dynamics within the industry. The chapter also compares K-Pop fandom to fans of Taylor Swift, Elon Musk, Trekkies, and Marvel fans, discussing the different aspects of their fandom and the perception of cultishness. They also delve into the negative aspects of being a K-Pop fan, including extreme fan obsession and financial investments.