Kyle Pope, former editor of the Columbia Journalism Review, joins Margaret Sullivan, head of the ethics center at the Columbia School of Journalism, for a deep dive into the ethical challenges in journalism today. They discuss the erosion of accountability in the media, particularly influenced by Donald Trump. The conversation covers the importance of distinguishing credible journalism from misinformation and the need for a revival of the ombudsman role. They also tackle how coverage impacts political figures and the ethical dilemmas journalists face in this rapidly evolving landscape.