In this discussion, Patrick Mason, a LDS history scholar, and Kristine Haglund, a Latter-day Saint writer, analyze the popularity of Dieter Uchtdorf. They explore his unique background as a two-time refugee and airline pilot, contributing to his relatable and charismatic sermons. Uchtdorf’s ability to uplift through storytelling and his appeal as a 'silver fox' are highlighted. The guests also delve into his global appeal, political perceptions, and speculate on what kind of leader he might be if he rises to the presidency.