Kirsten Hillman, the Canadian ambassador to the U.S. and a key negotiator in the USMCA, joins to delve into the complex dance between Canada and the Trump administration. Discussions include how Trudeau is navigating Trump's comedic jabs and serious tariff threats. Hillman highlights the political turbulence Canada is facing while trying to maintain strong diplomatic relations. The conversation also touches on the changing nature of international diplomacy under Trump's leadership, emphasizing the need for continuous dialogue despite the challenges.