Kim Ho, a professional screenwriter known for *The Newsreader* and *NCIS Sydney*, dives into the TOMBS cycle (Transgression, Omens, Manifestation, Banishment, Slumber) and its transformative storytelling potential. The discussion reveals how focusing on antagonistic forces can enhance narrative depth, especially in the context of Ryan Coogler’s *Sinners*. The conversation explores dual horrors—from supernatural vampires to systemic racism—and illustrates how different characters perceive threats at varying stages, ultimately reshaping the protagonist's journey.