Ruth Graham, a national correspondent for The New York Times specializing in religion, and Kevin Thompson, a former evangelical pastor who left due to political conflicts, discuss the crisis facing the evangelical movement. They explore declining church attendance post-pandemic, the political rifts within congregations, and the struggle of pastors to address faith amid divisive ideologies. Thompson shares his journey grappling with vulnerability and the challenges of fostering empathy for racial justice in a resistant environment.

Kevin Thompson, an expert in biblical theology and ministry at Beyond the Fundamentals, dives deep into the theological rift between Calvinism and Biblical Christianity. He discusses Calvinism's Gnostic roots and critiques its doctrines, highlighting inconsistencies, particularly in the doctrine of total depravity. The conversation also touches on historical shifts in Christianity under Constantine and the impact of Calvinist thought on personal belief and mental well-being. Thompson emphasizes the value of critical thinking and self-reflection in interpreting faith.