Kevin Sekniqi, Co-Founder of Avalanche, and Patrick O'Grady, VP of Engineering at Avalanche, join the show to discuss the future of Avalanche with thousands of highly optimized specialized blockchains. They explain the concept of subnets and their economics, and compare them with rollups. They also discuss the implementation of the Warp protocol for cross-chain communication, the value accrual of AVACs, and the excitement for Avalanche and Ava Labs in 2024.