Kevin Mattson, a history professor and author, dives into Jimmy Carter's presidency, highlighting his commitment to honesty in a tumultuous political era. They explore Carter's 'malaise speech,' which broke from traditional hopeful rhetoric to address the OPEC oil crisis and its implications on individualism. The conversation also examines the speech's legacy, revealing how it shaped public sentiment and responses from future leaders like Reagan. Mattson provides insights into how these themes resonate with today's challenges, revealing the complexities of leadership in difficult times.