Kevin Gallagher, Director of the Global Development Policy Center at Boston University, and Diego Morro, a data analyst specializing in Chinese development finance in Africa, discuss the resurgence of Chinese lending to Africa in 2023 after years of decline. They reveal a shift from large infrastructure projects to more sustainable initiatives in energy and logistics. The conversation highlights the complex dynamics of China's financial commitments, the implications of debt distress, and the contrasting views on transparency in lending practices.