Kelly Shaw, a former CISA cybersecurity expert with 15 years in national security, shares her shocking experience of being laid off during the agency's drastic downsizing. She discusses the implications of these layoffs for national security and the future of cybersecurity. Kelly also reflects on the emotional toll of job loss, the impact of AI on the industry, and the growing fears about vulnerabilities in cyber defense against threats, particularly from foreign adversaries. Her insights reveal both personal and national consequences of these crucial changes.