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Kellen Casebeer
Founder of The Deal Lab, a Smartlead Certified Partner and Clay Certified Expert agency. He helps B2B companies achieve message-market-fit through systematic outbound testing and runs the weekly Clay Cafe open office hours.
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Sep 10, 2025
• 42min
E5: "Message-market-fit": How to systematically test 13 campaigns to find asymmetric GTM results | Kellen Casebeer
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Kellen Casebeer, founder of The Deal Lab, brings his diverse background from luxury tech to health startups to the forefront as he discusses achieving message-market-fit. He emphasizes the importance of systematic outbound testing and market segmentation. Kellen advocates for experimentation over perfection, revealing how running 13 simultaneous campaigns can yield greater insights than perfecting one message. Listeners will be captivated by his innovative strategies, including using AI to enhance outreach and the power of creative signal detection in generating leads.
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