Katie Herzog, guest host and a sharp commentator on education, interviews Emily Hanford, an investigative journalist known for her impactful series on reading instruction failures. They discuss alarming statistics revealing that 65% of American fourth graders struggle with reading. The conversation digs into the flawed, historical methods of teaching reading, and the revelations parents faced during the pandemic about their children's education. They also explore the systemic issues and the urgent need for effective, evidence-based teaching strategies.