In this conversation, Kathy Hoppe, an associate professor of psychology and former church planter, discusses her challenging journey as a woman in ministry within the Southern Baptist Convention. Robert Downen, a reporter focusing on extremist movements, sheds light on the influence of figures like Paul Pressler and Paige Patterson during the conservative resurgence. They explore the intersection of conviction and politics, the resilience of women in ministry, and the ongoing challenges of seeking recognition in a predominantly male-dominated church environment.