Ben Joffe is a scholar of Tibetan Buddhism, specializing in householder teachers and Nagpa rituals, while Katherine Bennett is a non-dual therapist with expertise in transpersonal and Buddhist psychology. They dive into the practice of tantrik sādhanā today, discussing the blend of academic rigour with personal spiritual journeys. They explore the role of initiation, the necessity of a guru, and the evolving nature of tantric practices amid globalization. The conversation emphasizes authentic engagement with traditions and the community's pivotal role in the spiritual journey.