Kurt Sutter, renowned screenwriter and director, and Katey Sagal, Golden Globe-winning actress, candidly explore the intoxicating allure of fame and the pathways to sobriety. They share their heartfelt journeys, highlighting how love and vulnerability have transformed their relationship amidst the chaos of Hollywood. Personal growth, the significance of community in recovery, and the importance of authenticity in navigating life's complexities are central themes. Their conversation serves as a powerful reminder of finding purpose beyond money and prestige.