In this discussion with Kate Harrison-Brennan, Director of the Sydney Policy Lab, the focus is on the damaging fallout of the Robodebt scheme. She examines how automated systems dehumanized welfare recipients, inflicting emotional trauma and stigma. The talk highlights the disturbing societal attitudes towards poverty and the moral implications of viewing welfare as a failure rather than support. Harrison-Brennan advocates for a compassionate, accountable welfare system that prioritizes dignity and care for the vulnerable, challenging bureaucratic biases.