Terry Carney, an Emeritus Law Professor who exposed the Robo-debt crisis, Kimberley Wetherill, a law professor focused on AI ethics, and Kate Ellingham, CEO of Economic Justice Australia, discuss the pitfalls of automated decision-making in government. They highlight the disastrous consequences of Robo-debt, advocating for stricter oversight and transparency in AI applications. The need for robust governance structures to protect vulnerable populations is emphasized, alongside lessons learned from previous failures in social security automation.