In this engaging discussion, Davey Wreden, renowned for The Stanley Parable, and Karla Zimonja, co-creator of Gone Home, dive into their latest project, Wanderstop. They candidly explore the paradox of developing a game focused on burnout while feeling the weight of their own creative exhaustion. The duo shares insights on the evolution of their friendship and creative collaboration, highlighting how their contrasting styles enhance storytelling. Also, they reveal the heartwarming origins of Boro, a character embodying emotional warmth, while reflecting on the balance between narrative and player autonomy.