Karen Horn, an expert in economic thought, joins Erwin Dekker to discuss the legacy of ordoliberal thinkers Walter Eucken and Wilhelm Röpke. They delve into how these thinkers shaped modern economic ideas, emphasizing the concept of the 'good life.' Horn reflects on her experiences in economic journalism and how they influence her research. The conversation also touches on the historical context of ordoliberalism, its critiques of classical liberalism, and the interplay between ideas and interests in shaping economic policy.