Sometimes trauma happens as a result of a single event, with a distinct before, during, and after. More often than not, spiritual trauma happens in complex, layered ways over a long period of time. In this episode, Dr. Hillary McBride talks about the legacy of spiritual trauma in our mind-body systems, including listing many of the psychological, social, and physiological symptoms of spiritual trauma. This episode includes interviews with Mihee Kim Kort and K.J. Ramsey. Content Note: this episode contains reference to sexual abuse; it also includes profanity. For transcript and show notes, visit holyhurtpodcast.com Credits Written and recorded by: Hillary McBride Guest: Mihee Kim Kort, K.J. Ramsey Executive producer: Leslie Roberts Sound editing: Bradley Danyluk and Micaela Peragallo Music and scoring: Jon Guerra, adapted from the album Ordinary Ways, strings performed by Valerie Guerra Logo and art: Courtney Searcy

K.J. Ramsey, a trauma-informed licensed professional counselor and author, discusses the intersection of theology, psychology, and spiritual formation. They share their experiences of complex trauma, religious trauma, and disability that influenced their therapeutic journey and writing. The conversation also touches on working with trauma clients, embracing a God of love and connection, and the humanity of Jesus.