Justin Clarke-Doane, an Associate Professor of Philosophy at Columbia University, explores the unexpected relationship between mathematics and morality. He argues that both fields grapple with objectivity and reality, despite their apparent differences. The discussion dives into the complexities of moral objectivity, the nature of mathematical truths, and intriguing concepts like the mathematical multiverse. By examining the philosophical links between ethical reasoning and mathematical principles, Clarke-Doane reveals surprising parallels that challenge conventional wisdom in both domains.