In this thought-provoking discussion, Dr. Joshua Sijuwade, a philosopher specializing in theism, engages with Julius Weinberg, a physician-educator and trustee of the National Secular Society. They explore whether belief in God is rational, tackling issues like suffering, the problem of evil, and the role of moral exemplars. Joshua defends exemplarist theodicy, arguing suffering fosters virtues, while Julius critiques this perspective, questioning if such beliefs are necessary to explain pain. This lively debate challenges listeners to ponder faith and reason.