Judy Griselle, a renowned behavioral neuroscientist and author, shares her journey from battling addiction to becoming an expert in the field. She discusses her book, 'Never Enough,' revealing how personal experiences shape our understanding of addiction. Judy critiques punitive measures, advocating for positive incentives in recovery. The conversation also touches on adolescent vulnerability, gender differences in addiction, and the importance of novelty and dopamine in fostering meaningful lives post-addiction. Creativity and joy play significant roles in her transformative recovery narrative.