Mike Pence, former Vice President, discusses his potential role in testifying against Trump in a fraught legal landscape. Judge Tanya Chutkan reveals her rulings that could expose key evidence before the upcoming election. Their conversation dives into the implications of presidential immunity and the strange ironies surrounding Trump’s recent public appearances. Tonally humorous yet critical, they explore the media's role amid rising political absurdities, providing listeners with sharp insights into the unfolding drama.