Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark welcome Juan Catalan, who has an incredible story of being wrongfully convicted and exonerated, thanks to a pivotal scene from "Curb Your Enthusiasm." Karen addresses the tragic Montreal Massacre, shedding light on its long-lasting effects on gender-based violence awareness in Canada. The discussion navigates the complexities of the legal system, personal choices, and societal reckoning, blending serious themes with humor and heartfelt narratives that resonate deeply with listeners.

Explore the defense strategies of lawyers like Judy Clarke in the trial of Susan Smith and the ethical dilemma of defending guilty clients. Learn about trial by ordeal and the case of Juan Catalan, highlighting the difference between legal guilt and actual guilt. Reflect on the moral implications of choosing to save a guilty person to protect the rule of law.