Listen to former worship director and pastor's kid Joy Vetterlein as she discusses her journey of leaving the evangelical church, the challenges of starting over, and the need for more understanding of spiritual abuse. Explore her lack of concern about going to hell, skepticism of evangelism tactics, and the importance of feeling secure in her body. Discover her process of challenging beliefs, embracing personal discernment, and seeking healing outside traditional religious practices. Also, learn about the correlation between spirituality and depression and her hope for her children's sense of safety and purpose through spirituality.