Joy James, an esteemed Professor of Humanities at Williams College and author of 'New Bones Abolition,' delves into the profound legacies of W.E.B. Du Bois and George Jackson. She highlights the crucial role of Black women in activism and critiques systemic oppression, connecting historical movements to contemporary struggles. James discusses the paradox of the 13th Amendment and its implications, as well as the importance of community resilience. The conversation emphasizes love, liberation, and the power of intellectual discourse in fighting for social justice.