CTO Avishai Wool and Joshua Copeland discuss cloud security challenges and the need for a double layered approach. Key topics include understanding cloud risks, aligning security with business needs, and the importance of proper tooling for efficient security management.

In this episode, Joshua Copeland, Director of Cyber at AT&T, discusses the role of Governance, Risk, & Compliance (GRC) in cybersecurity. GRC helps organizations make informed decisions about resource allocation and aligns cybersecurity investments with an organization's risk profile. Understanding risks is crucial to effective risk mitigation, rather than blindly investing in the latest cybersecurity tools. The episode also explores challenges in maintaining cybersecurity in highly regulated industries and the value of real-world experience and diverse students in cybersecurity education.