Joseph de Guignes, a French scholar known for linking the Xiongnu to the Huns, and Edward Gibbon, the famed historian of the Roman Empire's decline, dive into riveting historical debates. They discuss whether the Xiongnu of China and the Huns of Europe are one and the same, and explore unexpected theories, including a wild connection between ancient China and Egypt. The conversation also tackles the consequences of refugee crises in history, shedding light on modern parallels and the evolving nature of historical narratives.