In this engaging discussion, Joseph Dana, a writer from Cape Town, unpacks Donald Trump's controversial fixation on South Africa. He explains the implications of granting refugee status to white Afrikaners, linked to a conspiracy theory about 'white genocide.' The conversation navigates South Africa's rising global tensions, land redistribution challenges, and the influences of figures like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel on U.S. narratives. Together, they explore the complexities of race and governance, shedding light on the socio-political landscape that shapes these debates.