Jose Casal, an expert in Kanban and Agile methodologies, shares insights on the evolving future of agility and the challenges it faces. He discusses the balance between certifications and genuine expertise, cautioning against overreliance on AI tools that could stifle creativity. The conversation emphasizes understanding each organization's unique context rather than copying successful models like Spotify. Finally, they explore the psychological aspects of stress in crises and how cultivating a positive organizational culture can support knowledge workers.