Ali Jones from Red PR and Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers' Union dive into the ramifications of Trump's anticipated return to the presidency, sparking an intense debate over societal reactions and emotional voter motivations. They dissect the Democrats' missteps and explore how misinformation shapes public perception. The conversation also shifts to the recently released Treaty Principles Bill, discussing its impact on hapua and iwi rights, and advocating for respectful public discourse amidst political tensions.

Jordan Williams, lawyer and political activist, discusses founding the Taxpayers Union, navigating financial responsibilities, choosing fights for policy change, public perception challenges, reflections on conversations with Peter Shirkliff, and the role of advocacy organizations in New Zealand.