Jordan Stein, a writer and scholar specializing in psychoanalysis and literature, joins the hosts to unravel the complex notion of fantasy. They discuss how fantasies straddle the gap between conscious thought and the unconscious, reflecting our understanding of identity. Highlighting Nina Simone's artistry, they explore her powerful expression of personal and political themes. From her evocative performances to the intricate dance of fantasy and reality in psychoanalysis, the conversation sheds light on how our desires shape emotional landscapes and self-expression.