Nick Confessore, a New York Times journalist, delves into the complex world of DEI initiatives at the University of Michigan. He reveals how these programs have ballooned into bureaucracies that often clash with free expression. Joining him, Jordan Acker, a University Regent, shares firsthand experiences of navigating campus activism and the pressures of administrating during polarized times. They discuss the challenges DEI programs face and what the future holds for higher education in a divided landscape.