Jonathan W. White

Jonathan W. White, a Professor of American Studies, joins to discuss his collaboration with Lucas Morel on uncovering Frederick Douglass’s writings about Abraham Lincoln. The two reveal new documents that highlight Douglass's complex feelings towards Lincoln, from skepticism to admiration. White shares insights on how these writings reflect pivotal moments in history and the impact of their relationship. The conversation emphasizes critical lessons on civic engagement and the enduring relevance of Douglass’s reflections on Lincoln’s legacy.

Jonathan W. White, the author of "Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln," takes listeners on a captivating journey through Frederick Douglass's evolving relationship with Abraham Lincoln. White discusses Douglass’s transformation from critic to ally, highlighting powerful insights gained from newly discovered writings. The podcast examines Douglass’s complex views on the Constitution, his advocacy for Black soldiers, and surprising feelings towards Lincoln and Andrew Johnson’s leadership. It's a compelling exploration of friendship, strategy, and the fight for equality.

Dr. Jonathan White discusses Abraham Lincoln's political skill, including his persuasive storytelling, decision-making process, and dedication to justice and unity. The episode explores Lincoln's influence on allowing black men in the war and granting them the right to vote, as well as his peacemaking and servant leadership approach. Historical inaccuracies, the Dakota Indians' involvement, and Lincoln's lasting legacy are also highlighted.