Henry Zeffman, Chief political correspondent for BBC News, and Jonathan Reynolds, Secretary of State for Business and Trade, dive into Keir Starmer's 'Plan for Change', highlighting six critical milestones for the economy and public services. They discuss the feasibility of these ambitious targets, the significance of real household income, and the importance of political accountability. The conversation also touches on balancing clean energy goals with infrastructure needs, while a lighthearted chat about holiday films adds a festive twist to the serious topics.