Jonathan Lu & Shauheen Etminan explore the neurobiology of dream-inducing substances like beta-carbolines and Syrian Rue. They discuss the unique effects of these compounds compared to classic psychedelics, secrets of lucid dreaming, ancient traditions, and legal, psychoactive formulations. The conversation also touches on spiritual practices, psychedelic coaching, journey through psychedelic experiences, divinity through lucid dreaming, and neurobiological mechanisms of beta-carbolines.