Jon Sanders, co-host of the EntrePastors Podcast and Director of Coaching for the 95Network, discusses the shift toward covocational pastoring. He explains how this model enhances financial security and fosters deeper connections within church communities. The conversation covers the importance of adapting pastoral roles to modern expectations, leveraging transferable skills in the job market, and improving financial sustainability. Jon also shares humorous anecdotes, showcasing the need for lightheartedness amidst ministry challenges.