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Jon Callas
Longtime software engineer and security practitioner who worked at Digital Equipment Corporation and contributed perspective on ARPANET culture and early network norms.
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Jan 6, 2026
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How the World Got Owned Episode 1: The 1980s
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Jon Callas, a former software engineer at Digital Equipment Corporation, discusses the early social norms of the ARPANET and the communal spirit among early hackers. Mark Rasch, who prosecuted the Morris Worm case, highlights the challenges in establishing new computer crime laws. Tony Sager shares insights on NSA's initial ambivalence toward hacking and its eventual embrace of cybersecurity. They explore the 414s’ curious exploration, the media's role in shaping public perception, and the Cuckoo's Egg, which tracks espionage by German hackers.
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