Johna Johnson, an expert on citizen coding's impact in business, and John Burke, a commentator on low-code/no-code risks, delve into the rising trend of citizen coders. They discuss how non-programmers can create software, enhancing efficiency but also introducing potential security threats. The duo explores the tension between IT departments and employees, emphasizes the importance of structured frameworks to support novice developers, and examines how AI can help mitigate coding vulnerabilities. Is the movement a true boon or a looming bane?