Join John Richards, President of Atheism UK and public atheist speaker, as he debates with Caleb Woodbridge, a cultural apologist and freelance writer. They explore whether ultimate meaning requires God, with Caleb arguing for a transcendent source and John advocating human-assigned values. Their lively discussion tackles morality's evolution, the role of empathy, and the effects of Christian influence on moral progress. They challenge each other's views on whether religion offers comfort or merely an illusion, engaging with audience questions throughout.