John Gruber, technology commentator and Apple enthusiast, joins the hosts to talk about Apple's AI strategy, the launch of Apple's Vision Pro, the impact of the transition to a post-app world, marketing strategies for new products, Apple's vision for spatial computing, and the importance of user feedback.

John Gruber, author of Daring Fireball, discusses the state of Apple, including revenue declines, Apple's services business, China's impact, AI's influence on user interface, the Vision Pro, Apple's conflict with Meta, App Store fees, and potential successors to Tim Cook as Apple's CEO.

John Gruber, the mind behind Daring Fireball and a seasoned podcaster, shares his journey from early computer fascination to independent content creation. He discusses his passion for writing and the challenges of maintaining authenticity in a corporate landscape, particularly regarding Apple. Gruber reflects on the evolution of audience engagement, from the early days of the internet to today’s social media. He also explores the balance between content accessibility and monetization strategies, highlighting the shift towards subscription models in independent media.