Productivity enthusiast John Drury discusses the impact of the pandemic on routines and spiritual practices, emphasizing the concept of a 'rule of life' for stability. Conversation delves into over/under stimulation, Sabbath practices, values, and holistic time management.

John Drury, an advocate for retreats, discusses the importance of sacred time for rest. Topics include 'desert days,' quarterly retreats, and balancing work and personal life. They explore the benefits of vacations, visitations, and vocations, emphasizing the value of restful practices for personal growth. Practical tips on integrating retreats into daily life and prioritizing mental well-being are also shared.