In this engaging discussion, John DiMaggio, author of 'The Art of Ransomware', shares riveting tales from his experiences in cybersecurity investigations, shedding light on the world of espionage. Dimitri Alperovitch, founder of CrowdStrike, expands on the geopolitical complexities in cybersecurity, as outlined in his book 'World on the Brink'. They delve into the intricacies of cyber warfare, the rise of nation-state threats, and the importance of storytelling in cybersecurity literature to connect and inform professionals in the field.