John DeRosa, a podcast host known for his probing discussions on Classical Theism, joins Joe Heschmeyer to delve into the aftermath of his intense debate with James White about the Mass as a propitiatory sacrifice. They explore the historical context of Saint Ignatius of Antioch's writings, dissect the theological implications of the priesthood, and engage in a fascinating discussion on transubstantiation. Additionally, they reflect on the dynamics of effective debate and the audience's reactions, offering insights from both the preparation and performance aspects.